Trusting God through Uncertainty // Raechel Myers, She Reads Truth

"Can I say with as much confidence as I'd be able to say at the end of [my hardship], when I get to see the positive outcome...that 'in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who've been called according to his purpose. What man intends for evil, God intends for good. And so today, I will walk with him?'"

— Raechel Myers

Today's Episode: Join us as Raechel Myers (cofounder of She Reads Truth) walks us through the story of God and her own story—helping us consider how God is working all things for the good of his people. She shares biblical insights of how God is at work in the lives of his people. She also shares her own story of a time when God walked with her through a really tough year, and how he even worked good out of so much suffering and hardship. She encourages us that he is right there with us in the dark times, often encouraging us through other people. Tune in and be reminded of God's goodness to his people in every season. 

This month's memory verse: "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." —Romans 8:28

Today's guest: Raechel Myers is always on the lookout for beauty, goodness, and truth in everyday life. From a puzzle at her kitchen table to the zucchini growing in her garden, Raechel finds reminders of the gospel everywhere. Founder of She Reads Truth, Raechel leads the community out of her deep love of God's Word and the firm conviction that all of Scripture is good news. Raechel lives in Nashville, Tennessee, with her husband and their two children.

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Links from today's show: 

• Find out more about Raechel here. 
• Check out She Reads Truth and get 20% off with the code: FORYOU20.
• Someone to Believe In: Embracing the Savior Who Stays the Same When Everything Else Changes, by Courtney Reissig 
• Made to Tremble: How Anxiety Became the Best Thing That Ever Happened to My Faith, by Blair Linne
• A Place for You: Reframing Christian Womanhood, by Kendra Dahl
• The Sing! Hymnal, from Keith and Kristyn Getty (get it for 30% off with a free Crossway Plus Account)
• Our best-selling Anxious No More Necklace is back in stock! 

Transcript

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Okay, fun fact about me. I have a couple hymnals that I occasionally read like poetry, and I'm very excited to tell you about this next thing. There's a new hymnal called The Sing Hymnal. It's written by Keith and Kristen Getty, who are award-winning hymn writers. It's a beautiful collection of both classical hymns and contemporary hymns designed to deepen our worship to foster unity among God's people and proclaim the hope of Jesus. Alongside those timeless hymns, you're also going to find liturgical readings and psalms paired with songs and also helpful indexes. Guys, this is a lasting resource for individuals, families, and churches alike. Not just people like me who like to read hymns as if they were poetry. And you can get your copy at crossway.org backslash Getty Hymnal if you want to get it for 30% off or else you can get it wherever books are sold. We'll have a link in our show notes so that you can easily get it. Hey, welcome back to the Dwell Differently podcast. I'm Natalie Abbott. And today we are talking about God's. Good plans for us. In Romans 8, 28, which is what we're memorizing and focusing on all month, it says, and we know that in all things, God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. It's an awesome verse. I love it. It's this big kind of summary statement of like, this is what God has for you. He has this for us and we can know it. And I am super pumped to have Rachel Myers on talking Talking with this verse about me, with me. Welcome, Rachel. Oh my word, I'm so happy to be here. Love this verse. I'm so excited to chat about it. Yes, okay, so I asked you on our podcast specifically because of what you do. You have this passion for God's word and for women and men reading God's word and kids and teaching God's word and talking about it. And I don't know that all of our listeners are gonna be super familiar, but even if you are familiar with what Rachel does, Can you give us like the elevator speech of like, why do you do what you do? I, well, here's what I do and I'll tell you why. For the last 13 years, I've been founder and other capacities along the way of a Bible reading ministry called She Reads Truth. Our mission is women in the word of God every day. Now, yes, before you ask, there is also a He Reads Truth. There's also Kids Read Truth, but She Reads Truth was really the the beginning of what I would call a movement of women towards really just truly opening their Bibles, believing for themselves that the Bible is for them, that they didn't necessarily have to watch a video and watch somebody tell them about scripture or wait until Sunday and have a pastor tell them about what they're reading in scripture. Those things are valuable. The pastor part's actually critical. That's important. And we are so local church people like we just we are like biblical literacy between Sundays and then you find yourself more biblically literate next Sunday than you were the last right but what we do is that we're a community of women all over the world and every day we're reading scripture so if you woke up today and you were like I have not read my Bible in nine months nine weeks nine years I don't even know where to start that's one of the things that we've set at our community to answer. That's a problem that we are here to solve because every day we're reading scripture. I don't know what day this airs, so I don't know what we're reading today, but we're likely in the book of John or Revelation because that's what's coming this fall. And so if you today were just like, I want to be a Bible reader and I want to be in a community of Bible readers, then come on. SheReadsTruth.com, the She Reads Truth app, and we're reading the Bible together. And our community is like, I almost want to call it like one of the best kept secrets on the internet. Like it is like one of the remaining kind spaces where people from like we're not denominational not denominational affiliated um we're just you know broadly evangelical um biblically rooted and so people from like all backgrounds come and they read the same text and they look at it from different angles and they see that like and then they talk about it and they're kind about it and yeah and then the other thing that we do amanda is my co-founder and so ever Monday she and I release an episode of our podcast and we go first like we read everything the community is going to read in the week to come and we go first usually with a guest and we just talk about it we talk about and by talk about it I mean we our main goal is model believers talking about what they're reading in scripture so that means asking questions not having answers like drawing connections encouraging one another finding that conviction like that like yeah if If we're not being truly convicted or reformed in some way when we read scripture over time, then we might not be truly engaging with it, right? Yeah. 2 Timothy 3.16. Anyway, so that's what we do. And the way that it came about simply, the short answer is we were girls who first found for ourselves that we needed God's word. And that of all of the things that we see in our lives, they're all passing in a way and the only thing that isn't going to pass away is God's word and we Amanda discovered that in ways in her own life and likewise I did and we really just became girls who only intentionally wanted to read the Bibles for ourselves but we talked about it just online on Twitter in 2012 and that conversation just kind of sparked a flame and a movement of women going hey I want that too I want to be a girl who reads her Bible every day it is so cool Cool. I absolutely love what you guys do. And I've kind of dipped my toe in the water here and again and done a couple of your Bible reading plans. And I just really appreciate it. I appreciate listening to your podcast. And I feel like in some ways, you all are sort of the zoomed out version of Bible literacy. I am going to take in the whole forest. And what we do is sort of the zoomed in version where it's like, you're going to to put one little leaf under a microscope and we are going to just dissect it all month long. We're going to dwell in it. We're going to consider it. We're going to see it in its context. We're going to talk to other people about it. We're going to help people come to this understanding of a crucial understanding of like one little version just to see what it does in the lives of people. And it's so fantastic. I'm sure you have people who are always coming to you and saying, oh my gosh, Rachel, I love what you guys are doing. I've grown in this understanding of the Bible that is just so broad. And we get the same kind of thing from people where it's like, I've grown in this depth. I've grown in this personal... When you dwell on one verse, you start to consider every single word in that verse. And you start to think about, okay, well, what does it say right before that? What does it say after that? But the reason I wanted to have you here is because I do feel like this particular verse is this big Bible concept right it is it is that God works good for those who love him and it's this beautiful promise but I think if we just if we just learn those words and we don't consider like the context of the whole Bible right we're gonna miss something that's right and so that's why I'm so excited to have you here and also I got this in the mail yesterday and I just want to do a little plug a little For your book. I did. It is so amazing. I was an English major in college, so I am a word girl and I love actual books and paper. And it is, I mean, look at how beautiful. You have seen it, but I want everybody who's watching this online to see it's every single book of the Bible you've taken out scripture for each chapter. I should let you say what You're the one who did it. But I'm like, I went through and I'm like, oh my gosh, I read what you wrote about Romans and I'm currently reading for myself in 1 Corinthians and I read that. It has like the scripture itself, other related scriptures, and then an awesome little devotional to be like, hey, this is what this is about. Yeah, those are ancient words and the Bible is for you today. Like that actually does connect to your life right now. Here's one example of how it connects. And honestly, like, this is the kind of book that I'm like, I would pick this up and be like, I have to have that. I don't even know what's in it, but it's just that gorgeous. It's amazing. It's so pretty. I love it. They did such a great job with this. I'm like, who makes books like this? This is like, it's like you can see the like, you know, that's like stitched together. It's just fine. It lays flat. It lays perfectly flat without having to do a spiral, which feels like a big deal. Yeah. And then it's yellow, like that yellow binding. It's like it's to mimic like a highlighter like engaging with scripture like and so you see the highlighter inside too just that like hey we're digging in we're actually scripture is for us let's dig into it I'm so excited so we'll have links for you guys in this so that you can get your own copy and so all of that kind of this is all the precursor of the actual conversation where I really want to dive into this verse and talk about it but I'm trying to lay the groundwork here for like if you spent time reading your Bible, if you spend time knowing God's word and looking at it in its context, now we get to zoom back in and be like, okay, this is what this is saying. Let's study this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what y'all are doing, you're kind of just like rehearsing the trivium. Are you familiar with the trivium? I thought you said trivia for a second. I'm like, what is that? And you're like, I'm going to smile and laugh and go ahead with this, but what is that? This is maybe like... So cuckoo. So in classical education, like my kids went to a classical elementary school and the approach to teaching is the trivium. And it would be grammar, logic, rhetoric. And that really is like loosely like grammar school, middle school, high school. But it is like who, what, where, when, and then why and how. And another way to say it is... And what you're doing, and this is why I think it connects kind of because at first reading, let's say of Romans 8, 28, just what does it say, right? And over time in our like, just fundamentally, we never stop hopefully being in the grammar stage of learning where we're just kind of like, if we're in Bible study, new name, new place, new timeline, like just that information, right? But then in the logic stage, like as we engage with it and like go deeper, like you said, we're starting to to talk to people about it or ask questions or draw connections or go like, hey, that actually fulfills this prophecy or that's a connection that I've seen somewhere else in scripture. So you're going to logic a little bit more there, which is what I imagine you've been doing in Romans 8, 28. Like in all things, God works to the good of those who love him who have been called according to his purpose. Okay, like where can I see that in scripture? And then you get to the rhetoric stage, which is the wisdom stage. And it's the like, I actually live differently because of the information that I read and the connections that I made. Now I'm a different person, right? I love that. You take people through that every time you go, let's dig deep on this one. What does it say? What are we learning from it? And how are we now different? That's so good. Okay, so let's jump in then to a specific verse because I think if this is one of these big picture statements, right? We know that in all things, God works for good for those who love him and who have been called according to his purpose. If that's the big picture concept, then won't we see this in the Bible? So can you give us an example of how we see this principle of God working for good in the Bible and for his people? Everywhere. I didn't prepare for this question, and yet the first person that comes to mind, the first story would probably be Ruth like I just think about how tragically that story opens it's Naomi and Ruth and it's Naomi's husband and her two sons married to Orpah and Ruth and all the guys die like the protection of the like everything goes topsy-turvy and um and it's just it's All they can see in front of them is exposure, isolation, hunger, like there's a famine, right? And it doesn't feel like good things are happening. And so you ask, where do we see that to be true in scripture? But we have the benefit of knowing the whole of that story. And it's a long story because not only does Ruth eventually meet Boaz and he becomes the family redeemer and he marries her, but we know that they have they have baby Obed right Obed they have Obed right yeah and then Obed has Jesse and Jesse has David and what I love about that story is who Boaz's mom is Boaz's mom is Rahab like these like really hard stories like Rahab's story of just desperation right like even like in her life choices where she was the The Bible describes her as a prostitute. And I think it would be fair to wonder if probably she came to that profession not out of just eagerness to go on in the world, but out of desperation for what her options were. And then you look at Rahab, and you look at Ruth, and Naomi, and you just see these stories come together. And they are this beautiful delta of the family line of Jesus, the Redeemer, both as our family redeemer in Ruth is in the family line of David and of Jesus. And so when I think about when all things... Work together for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. Like, I don't know. I feel like that's a real Darkest Before Dawn kind of a story that encourages me. Yeah. I couldn't have seen that coming. And they didn't even, you know, Natalie, they didn't get to see the whole story. They got a little bit of a glimpse of the restoration of the good, but they didn't know that Jesus was going to come from their line. At least they didn't know for sure that, right? Yeah. I don't know. I just think that encourages me to be okay with not knowing the full ending because the work is such a trickle down of the work of the Lord. I don't know. What do you think? Who do you think of? Oh, you know, I think about Joseph and his brothers sell him into slavery and then he gets wrongly accused and then he ends up in prison and then he ends up somehow just like there's a And somebody's like, oh, yeah, Joseph, he knows how to interpret dreams. And then he interprets the dream or the Pharaoh. And he ends up being like second in command. And there's this famine. And we're talking like years and years and years and years. And all of a sudden, his brothers, his 10 of his brothers, 10 of the 11, come to seek food from him. And he's like, oh, these are the guys. Those are my brothers. And he's heartbroken, right? Because he's like, they... What they did for me was just devastating. So he ends up, long story short, providing for them food. They don't even recognize him. They have no idea that this is who this is. And he finally reveals himself to them. And it's, I think, honestly, the saddest part of the whole story. So they all come, and they come to Egypt, and they're living in Egypt, and he's providing for all of them. And his father dies, and his brothers come to him. And they're like, now he's going to get us. And he's just heartbroken because he's like, no, I have forgiven you and what you intended for evil, God intended for good and for the saving of his people. And to me, that is just such a beautiful story of God's Right. And in your lives and in the lives of so many people, like, I mean, what a beautiful picture of the redemption of God, you know? Joseph is such a perfect example of that. Like, just truly, I love thinking about that because it is a long play, isn't it? It's so long. And it so often is. What do you do when the things that once held your faith together start to fall apart? When your leaders fail, your doubts grow louder, or someone you love walks away from Jesus? In Someone to Believe In, Bible teacher Courtney Reisig shares her own story of deep hurt and honest questions and how Jesus met her right there in the middle of it all. Through powerful moments in the Gospel of John, she shows how even when everything feels unstable, Jesus never changes. 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We'll have a link in our show notes so you can easily get this book. Yeah. So, like, I think that's one of the things that when we read our Bibles, though, you know, we are reading, I mean, how many chapters is Ruth's story? Like six? Four? It's short. Yeah. It's like you can read it in one sitting, right? Yes, absolutely. This is her whole story, her whole life. And you go from devastation to restoration and redemption in just a few short pages. And yet Ruth lived that life. Like she lived in the midst of that. And so I guess that's my question is like, if you put yourself in Joseph's shoes or if you put yourself in Ruth's shoes, how does a verse like this or this concept of like God is going to work this for good speak to you in that kind of a moment? I'm thinking as we're talking about this, both of those stories are set on the backdrop of famine. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Like that just both of them set and everything we know about God and like those like through line themes of scripture. I know this doesn't answer your question, but I'm just thinking about it a lot. Like just that manna, that like, that the bread is like that source of life, that thing that you gotta have every day. And they were both in a season of physical famine. Right. And, and somehow they, physical famine did not keep them from spiritual famine or from spiritual feasting like they walked with the lord they walked with the lord even in their hunger even in their and their pain that's just interesting to me and that's not the question that you asked me will you ask it again i'm so sorry i'm just like processing that no i this is great i this so kind of going back to what you said at the beginning though it's like when you're having these discussions about scripture like this is what a bible study is supposed to look like like if you're listening this conversation and you're like, I want that. Read the Bible with somebody and talk about it. This is how we do it. That's all you do in real time. This is what we're doing. Just like a book club. It is just like a book club, except for the Holy Spirit. It changes your life. Absolutely. 100%. Yeah. There's another level to it where it's like, I read that book. It was really great. But it's like, I read that book. It was really great. Oh my gosh, God is using that. I met the author.

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Yes. Which as an author, I'm like, well, that feels like Even still, it's a little, the metaphor falls apart eventually, doesn't it? right? These like long novels about like a biblical fiction kind of book. Like if someone wrote the story of Ruth, which I'm sure probably somebody has, and you read that, it's going to be 400 pages instead of four chapters, right? And so it's going to take you through that story and kind of elaborate on it and embellish and everything. But the idea is there is like, what does a verse like this or concept like this? I mean, like even for Joseph, when he's talking about his life experience to be like what you intended for evil God intended for good and for the saving of many lives like that thought had to be something that was deep in him from that experience like he has synthesized all of what he's gone through and all of the trials and all of the trouble and said God is the one who saves God is the one who is good and he intended even this for good so like how does I mean because Ruth and Joseph unlike us They don't have this verse because this is a New Testament verse. But this concept of God's goodness in the moment, in the gritty, in the my husband died, my brother-in-law died, my father-in-law died, I am exposed. I am without help in the world. And my mother-in-law has renamed herself bitter. Right. She literally renames herself bitter and is like, just leave me. I'm out. Yes. So How does this concept, I guess, kind of working from these logical connections to the application of the verse? But what did lunch look like, right? Yeah. Because you think about, I mean, Joseph, for example, he said that in what, chapter 50, verse 20 of a 50-chapter book? Yeah, it is at the way, way end. At the very, very, very end. I might be wrong on the address, but it's right in that zone. It's right over there, yeah. But my question is, and I think maybe I could guess at the answer, is did he say to himself when they threw him in the pit, they mean this for evil, but God intends it for good? Because it's a statement of trust and glory on the back end, but in the middle of it, it's a statement of faith. It's a white knuckle. I do not know. We get him saying it when he kind of sees the– the end of the rainbow of the story arc, right? Right, yeah. He's able to reflect and say, and I wonder if he didn't also, and my guess is that he did in some way or another in prison, in the pit, in Potiphar's house, if he didn't also say because he knew who Yahweh was and he understood that Yahweh was faithful. If through even in the middle of the story arc or the story arc that kind of goes down. Yeah, yeah. if he wasn't able to future hope, say, what man is currently intending for evil, God is actively using for good in ways that I will one day see in ways that I will never see. And so when you talk about like what that looked like for Joseph or like what that looks like for me, right? Yeah, yeah. What that looks like for you of just like in the middle, can I say with as much confidence as I'd be able to say at the end of it when I get to see the positive outcome or the like, oh, I see what you did there. God. Can I right now in the middle of it go... In all things, God works for the good of those who love him who have been called according to his purpose. What man intends for evil, God intends for good. And so today, I will walk with him. I just want to let that hang there for a second. That's what I want to be true of me, and it's not always, right? Yeah. And I think that that's what Romans 8.28 is reminding us. It's, and we know, right? Like, hey, you know this. If you are walking with Jesus, and we We know. It shouldn't be new information. If you have been walking with the Lord, if you've been in scripture, you see these stories. You should have evidence of this. And so why are we not in our rhetoric of understanding this? Are we living in the middle of the story like we will be able to live at the end of the story? It's victory, people. Yeah, because we know the end of the story. We do. We know the end of this verse alludes to it. Yes, in all things. It's just the good. There's good in the middle, but the good is coming, and it's promised, and it's secure for those who love him and walk according to his purpose. Well, and I think about, too, the verses that are directly above this verse in the text. It's talking about how we don't even know what to pray for. It talks about how all creation is groaning and how we endure the suffering. And sometimes we are so like, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm groaning. Yeah. Yeah. And we're supposed to. And we're supposed to. Because it's not all okay. Yeah. Like that creation itself is groaning for the redemption of God's people and for his return. Like if we are groaning, if the Holy Spirit who is in us is also groaning with us. And we grieve or groan as those who have hope. Like that's the difference between us and the world, for lack of a better way to put it. We grieve and groan not as those who have no hope. It's not Pollyanna, but I bet it's perceived as Pollyanna. It's an ignorant, it's a naive, everything's going to be fine, or I'm maybe just refusing to tune into what's real and what's hard. I'm just putting my head in the sand covering my eyes. And that's not what we're called to do. That's not even what we have to do. We don't have to do that because we have this firm hope, this anchor for our souls, right? It doesn't change like the shifting shadows. It doesn't go. It's firm. I just like mishmashed a bunch of Hebrews just then. No, I heard it. I was hearing all of it. I love when I talk to people who are like speaking God's word back to me. I'm like, yes, I hear it in there. It's so true. It's so true. And so I guess one question I think application wise, well, two questions. One is, have you ever been in a place where you you have felt like you're in that space of like, I don't know. I don't know how this is going to turn out. And how did God meet you in that moment? And maybe even grow your faith in your not knowing. Because I think sometimes it's the hard times, it's the not knowing. And then have you ever also gotten a glimpse, like a peek behind the curtain of like, oh, this is how God was at work. And I see it and it's beautiful. And it was hard and I don't want to do it again, but this is how I saw him do it. The story that comes to mind is only partly mine. So I have to like, kind of like be careful the way I tell this story because it's our family's story. But last year on this time, we just kind of walked through something deeply heartbreaking and unjust with our son and in his senior year and just something like a, A real, like, are you okay with people being wrong about you kind of a deal. And it hurt our mom and dad guts to watch what happened happen and really just to watch him hurt. And in the midst of it, we had people who loved us so well and who would just pray for us and just like, it was a pretty big deal. And I remember one friend voice memoed me and she said, you know, something just like, I'm just like, I'm praying for you all. I love you. And I just keep wondering if this isn't the greatest protection. Like what feels like something that's just awful. If there's just some way that the Lord's actually providing and protecting for your family. And I was just like, well, I don't see, I can't see. Seeing that and I hear you and you're able to see things a little more objectively right now. I don't know how this could be true. And, you know, here we are a year later on the other side of that. And I can go. he was protecting us and he was protecting our son. And we didn't know. And he was really kind of preparing him in ways that you never want to watch your kids struggle. But the way that the Lord demonstrated his nearness to us and to our son, the way that he provided and protected for him in that season and really just taught us together how to rely deeply and daily on the grace of And I'm sorry, it feels like mysterious to be like, and that was the story, but it's true. You know, that's why I'm saying, like, it's not fully my story. I can't really share all of that except to say that even a year later, I can look at that and just go, she was right. Like, that's what the Lord was doing. And I didn't, I couldn't see it. But every day, my husband, Ryan, and I, we, through the whole thing, we prayed that what was happening would be, like, we prayed the New Testament. Yeah. Just like that suffering would produce perseverance, that it would produce character, that it would produce hope in us, in our kid. And we just prayed God's promises back to him. Like, okay, we're suffering. Make us people who are perseverers. Give us character out of this. The reward we're looking for isn't vindication. We're just looking for character. We want you to make us more like you. And would you give us hope out of all of this? And that was our prayer. And he was absolutely faithful in the things that he had already promised. That is so beautiful and hard and hard. Parenting is hard. Like you just kind of go, I would rather take that for myself. Can all of this be happening to me? How many times have I prayed that actually for my kids? I'm like, Lord, let it be on me. Let it be me that has to go through this hard thing.

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you know, it's funny. I had somebody share with me. I was going through a really hard thing with one of my kids and somebody said, well, you can never protect your kid from their testimony. And I was like, oh, yeah, there you are. Because then they get to say Romans 8, 28, and I know that in all things, God works. It's not just like y'all know. Or my parents know. My parents know, or I've heard it said. Our scripture says they have to earn it. And that's the earning it. It's that I know that in all things, because I've seen it for myself with my own eyes and my own life. And I never would have known God to be that near had I been that alone. Wow. Rachel, this has been such a good conversation. I have other thoughts and other questions, but I'm going to honor your time and the time of our listeners. I just appreciate so much your willingness to come and talk about this first and kind of go through all of the steps. I feel like I need a title this episode, like how to study the Bible with someone. With a friend. With a friend. Yes. Do this. So those of you who are listening at home, do this. This is easy. It's something you can do. Do it with She Reads Truth. Listen to their podcast. Allow them to have that conversation, but do that conversation with somebody else too. That's right. My husband and I Ben's a pastor. I've been in the church forever. We do lots of Bible studies and whatnot. And there is something that just happens where God's word just comes alive when you talk about it with other people. And it's like, there are stories like you shared about Ruth. And I'm like, I would have never thought of Ruth. That's a great answer. And then I get to hear why. And so it just will open up for you the Bible, which is God himself talking to us. Well, Natalie, I love what you are doing. I love like the mission and the drive and the heart of what you all are doing. I was just talking with someone this morning about Bible memorization and methods and just thinking like, well, does it like they're doing it and they're doing it so well in a faithful way, like truly faithful in a way that just draws people into God's word, not just to read it, but to really like know it and then live it. So keep going. I encourage you. I'm so thankful for you. likewise likewise sister you're doing awesome work over there and again you guys have got to get you got to get your hands on this book this is just the most lovely thing she is amazing she's a new little tiny baby and yeah you just need to get her okay well thank you rachel have a great rest of your day i really appreciate you guys we will have all the links in the show notes so that you can get your own book you can follow she reads truth you can find out more about rachel and her sweet son who just went to college so just went to college Yeah. Just flew the nest. All right. Thanks, Rachel.

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